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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 04:30:02 PDT
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TCP-Group Digest            Thu, 25 Aug 94       Volume 94 : Issue  183

Today's Topics:
                           Ajourn (6 msgs)
        Changing environment (was RE: Dos Computers) (2 msgs)
             Computers, ethernet and lightning protection
                         Mail Delivery Status
                        Port 513 call/response

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 09:58:55 CST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Ajourn
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] says:
> Is it time to acknowledge that no one is doing anything useful and
> shut down the list?  If we're just wasting time, let's adjourn.

You must have been asleep.  This group has been dead for 2 years.
First it was the conversion of TCP/IP to a BBS, now we're back to
expounding the merits of KISS and BPQ TNC's.  Plus the intelligence
level of the members has dropped significantly.  I've had to help at
least 60 or 70 people learn how to unsubscribe; Their Mommy must have
subscribed them, because they were otherwise clueless. What a drag. I
don't think there's more than 10 subscribers anyway. I second
ajournment.  I've already unsubscribed...
--
Steve

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 15:44:58 +0100
From: "Brian A. Lantz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ajourn
To: [e-mail]

On Wed, 24 Aug 1994 [e-mail] wrote:

Come on, now. Not another perfect example of bitching just to bitch!

> [e-mail] says:
> > Is it time to acknowledge that no one is doing anything useful and
> > shut down the list?  If we're just wasting time, let's adjourn.
>
> You must have been asleep.  This group has been dead for 2 years.
> First it was the conversion of TCP/IP to a BBS, now we're back to
> expounding the merits of KISS and BPQ TNC's.

Seemed pretty lively and useful to me. Must depend on your attitude....

It was incorporating new features into the base, adding items that eased
the entry of xNOS into the mainstream packet forwarding network.

As for merits of TNCs, have you found a way to do packet radio without a
packet controller of some kind? Or maybe you just don't like people
asking for help.....

> Plus the intelligence level of the members has dropped significantly.

You must have OBVIOUSLY been reading, "How to win friends and influence
people", with a remark like that. Can you say "superiority complex"? I
knew you could....

> I've had to help at least 60 or 70 people learn how to unsubscribe;
> Their Mommy must have subscribed them, because they were otherwise clueless.

I guess you were born knowing everything there was to know about the
Internet. Wake up, this "problem" is an "opportunity". Have you ever heard
of the term ELMER???

The growth of popularity in the Internet means that there will be more
and more people who are LEARNING, just like you (yes, you) had to at one
time. This is a good time to help other to learn proper netiquette.

While I commend you for your assistance, the attitude with which you seem
to approach it leaves it questionable as to its helpful merits.

> What a drag. I don't think there's more than 10 subscribers anyway. I second
> ajournment.  I've already unsubscribed...

If that's the case, I guess the other "nine" of us will stick around and
do what we can to TRY to help promote Amateur Radio TCP/IP.

Do to the tone of your message, you can probably find a better use of
your time, and everyone should spend their time as it pleases them most.


Brian:
The need for this group STILL exists, since experimentation is STILL
going on, tools are STILL being developed, and new TCP/IP HAMS (running
all sorts of software) are STILL needing to exchange information and
request assistance. Please don't let a few casting disparaging tones
cause you to cut this communications channel off, whether there are 10 or
1000.

One vote for continued co-operation, at a reduced level of bitching and
moaning.


-----------------------------------------------------------
Brian A. Lantz/KO4KS                 [e-mail]

REAL PORTION of Microsoft Windows code:
    while (memory_available)    {
        eat_major_portion_of_memory (no_real_reason);
        if (feel_like_it)
            make_user_THINK (this_is_an_OS);
        gates_bank_balance++;
    }

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 15:32:41 -0500 (CST)
From: Bill Walker <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ajourn
To: [e-mail]

Brian A. Lantz writes:
>
>   [snip]
> One vote for continued co-operation, at a reduced level of bitching and
> moaning.
>   [snip]

    Two.



--
Bill Walker Ph.D.
Chairman, Dept. of Computer Science
East Central University
Ada, Oklahoma 74820-6899

e-mail:  [e-mail]
phone:   [phone] ext. 594
FAX:     [phone]

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 17:34:37 -0400
From: "Brandon S. Allbery" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ajourn
To: [e-mail]

In your message of Wed, 24 Aug 1994 15:32:41 CDT, you write:
+---------------
| Brian A. Lantz writes:
| > One vote for continued co-operation, at a reduced level of bitching and
| > moaning.
|     Two.
+------------->8

Three, if we're counting.  Although I think an official "elmering" list might
be nice; it would fill out the low end (the middle being nos-bbs and the high
end here).  ---Not, given the example of comp.unix.questions, that it would be
*used*, unfortunately...

++Brandon
--
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH     [44.70.4.88]          [e-mail]
Linux development:  iBCS2, JNOS, MH
Daily dreading Nehemiah Scudder^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HRush Limbaugh

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 00:28:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Gerald J Creager <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ajourn
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] sez:
>
> [e-mail] says:
> > Is it time to acknowledge that no one is doing anything useful and
> > shut down the list?  If we're just wasting time, let's adjourn.
>
> You must have been asleep.  This group has been dead for 2 years.
> First it was the conversion of TCP/IP to a BBS, now we're back to
> expounding the merits of KISS and BPQ TNC's.  Plus the intelligence
> level of the members has dropped significantly.  I've had to help at
> least 60 or 70 people learn how to unsubscribe; Their Mommy must have
> subscribed them, because they were otherwise clueless. What a drag. I
> don't think there's more than 10 subscribers anyway. I second
> ajournment.  I've already unsubscribed...

SO, Steve, if you're so negative regarding THIS group, why are you whining
overe here?  Sorry if you think it's been dead.  I tend to disagree.  It's
been quiet, but most of the development has been occurring on JNOS.  Maybe
it's time for some of us to go back to KarnCode (tm) and the basics, and drop
the BBS falderal.

I don't need a BBS at home.  I think the BBS's should learn to talk IP for
their internetworking, rather than make a reasonable and rational package do
too many things.  And before you warm up the flame-throwers, I'm NOT
disparaging the folks who have done the various flavors' development.  If they
want to do that, fine.  This has been a pretty nice group, with a reasonable
S/N level where we could discuss internetworking of amateur radio with IP,
without HAVING to listen to the whining.

Don't knock the administrator that feeds you.  If YOU don't like the group,
fine.  Unsubscribe.  But STOP the catty comments to Brian for his commentary.
For the record, it i_is_ effectively his machine.  He can take his hard disk
and go home.

Cheers.
Gerry

ps:  Sorry, Brian.  I can't sit this one out much longer!

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 17:31:58 +1000
From: [e-mail] (Dave Walmsley)
Subject: Ajourn
To: [e-mail]

Bill Walker writes:
>Brian A. Lantz writes:
>>
>>   [snip]
>> One vote for continued co-operation, at a reduced level of bitching and
>> moaning.
>>   [snip]
>
>    Two.
                       Three.
=========================================================================


Dave VK2XPX, sysop VK2RAP                   [e-mail]
                                            [e-mail]
                                            [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 11:59:23 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Austen)
Subject: Changing environment (was RE: Dos Computers)
To: [e-mail]

Why all the fighting?  I think some people feel abandoned.  This need not be so.

The environment has changed.  Some (home) operating systems have networking
built in.  For most others there exists inexpensive or free network
software.  Virtually all of them speak SLIP and have serial ports.

So why run NOS?  The end user, who neither routes packets nor provides BBS
services, would be better off running the network software - and operating
system - of his or her choice (and NOS is among the choices) with a SLIP
link to a SLIP-TNC.  All we lack is the SLIP-TNC ... but we have a good
start on one with the X1J code.

Jeff, k9ja

+-+
Jeffrey Austen       |  Tennessee Technological University
[e-mail]   |  Box 5004
[phone]       |  Cookeville Tennessee 38505   U.S.A.

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 11:59:23 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Changing environment (was RE: Dos Computers)
To: [e-mail]

Why all the fighting?  I think some people feel abandoned.  This need not be so.

The environment has changed.  Some (home) operating systems have networking
built in.  For most others there exists inexpensive or free network
software.  Virtually all of them speak SLIP and have serial ports.

So why run NOS?  The end user, who neither routes packets nor provides BBS
services, would be better off running the network software - and operating
system - of his or her choice (and NOS is among the choices) with a SLIP
link to a SLIP-TNC.  All we lack is the SLIP-TNC ... but we have a good
start on one with the X1J code.

Jeff, k9ja

+-+
Jeffrey Austen       |  Tennessee Technological University
[e-mail]   |  Box 5004
[phone]       |  Cookeville Tennessee 38505   U.S.A.

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 17:45:00 -0000
From: [e-mail] (Mike Bilow)
Subject: Computers, ethernet and lightning protection
To: [e-mail]

On 94 Aug 23 at 21:34, Jeffrey Austen wrote:

 JA> How can I hook the
 JA> computers together via ethernet while providing a high
 JA> degree of lightning protection for the second computer?
 JA> Fiber optic ethernet seems like the best solution except
 JA> that the cost appears to be on the order of $500 for a pair
 JA> of transceivers.  Are there good quality lightning
 JA> protectors for 10BASE2 or 10BASE-T ethernet cables?  Where
 JA> can I find them?

Since Ethernet coax is usually just RG-58, I would think that ordinary antenna
protectors using gas discharge tubes (like "Transi-Trap") would work.

-- Mike


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Date: 24 Aug 1994 11:51:11 GMT
From: "Central Postmaster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mail Delivery Status
 ***** Error in Mail Delivery *****

E0100-ZIPSCA003E-ZIP PACKET GLOBAL ERROR

 Recipients:

 [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 06:28:16 GMT
From: [e-mail] ("Garry Hawgood")
Subject: Port 513 call/response
To: [e-mail]

Problem: Can jnos1.10f be configured to correctly respond to a call to
UDP PORT 513 (whod) ?

I have been using jnos in it's progressing stages over the past 2.5 years
and just recently have been able to put it on line as a dedicated internet
host, however, my service provider uses a FreeBSD Unix system and part of their
system status is handled by a call to udp port 513 every 3 minutes, to see
which hosts are online and available.

Because my current jnos configuration does not correctly respond to such a call,

implementation. Both of which support port 513 in their native TCP/IP it seems.

I would obviously prefer to remain with jnos for compatibility with my rf world
software, so any help and/or suggestions greatly appreciated.

(I'm just not ready to learn a new operating system just so I can stay online)

Regards
Garry   VK4KE
ps. I have previously asked this question in the nos-bbs area with no replies yet.

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